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Atheism, Animal Rights And Ethical Veganism (2/2) – The Atheist Experience #583.
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Mmmm…steak….
Mmmm…steak….
lol or you could …
lol or you could just go forward to the end of the song intro
I’m getting so …
I’m getting so tired of the song introductions on all these clips. I might only be slightly annoyed on any individual video, but it seems like a “part two” or “part three” should just skip it. Thanks for the upload still, I’d rather have to skip 35 seconds of song introduction than not see these at all.
The biggest …
The biggest religious joke of all is JEWS.
They cut the tip of their babies dicks off in honor to their Race God. Even celebrate it!! They dont have to be religious only racially a JEW.
Cutting the tip of your babies penis off, what IDIOTS!!!
This should be the butt of all the Atheist jokes. Sick Jews.
Arrogant much??
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Arrogant much??
You’re not taking into consideration the neccessity of fallow fields when dealing with crops, not to mention infertile land which cattle can graze and crops don’t grow and the lower labour requirements; crop yeild increase does not mean more food no matter what teen magazine has lead you to believe.
Increase of prices in a growing economy where luxury items are on the increase woooaaaaaaaah. But I agree 100g a day is excessive
haha your ignorance …
haha your ignorance makes me laugh
you know what i wanted to say so don’t pretend to be dumb
all countries could increase its crop yields through a reduction of meat production
increased meat consumption in india and china led to raised food prices
do you need more information?
right.. feed the …
right.. feed the whole world with pigfeed.
Do you realise how stupid you make yourself look?
the caller could …
the caller could have urged so many better arguments
e.g with all the food which cattles and pigs eat til we slaughter them we could feed the whole world
nobody would have to die from starvation anymore
When I see a Great …
When I see a Great White eat a seal I like to imagine I ame the shark.
I may have problems.
“Also, 3D vision …
“Also, 3D vision isn`t necessary to judge distance, much of our distance cues (called monocular depth cues) need only one eye to do so. And yes, I do have a degree in this….See ya, Ph.D guy…”
I don’t know why you insist on calling me “Ph.D. guy”? For the record, I have an M.S. and a D.M.D. Like I said, I’m a real doctor…I actually help heal people, I don’t just do research and literature reviews to earn my bank. I’m not knocking people with Pd.Ds, it’s just that we have different roles.
“No, when you eat …
“No, when you eat fruit and don’t plant the seeds…you are just eating the fruit.”
What are you talking about? I said, that ‘some’ animals play a role in plant procreation. I never said that we played a role.
I never said that …
I never said that we didn’t have 3D visin, I said that we ‘don’t have an overlapping 3D vision’. I was quoting you. Our 3D vision is created by our brains, as it process two sets of visual info, one stream bringing ‘disparate information’ (different views that fall on two different areas of both retinas), the other bringing non disparate (the same view falling on the same areas in both retinas) to the brain. Do some research Ph.D guy.
Oooooh, so you’re …
Oooooh, so you’re actually repulsed by a Big Mac, bacon, and chicken breast?”
That meat has been ‘cooked’. Thus, anything that would make us ill has been destroyed.
Also, the body needs protein, the best sources of protein, in the wild, is meat.
We eat meat, …
We eat meat, because we descended from predators (our digestive system is designed for plant and animal foods). As far as my 3D vision comments not making sense, that’s because you don’t know what you’re talking about. We don’t have an overlapping 3D field of vision, your 3D vision is created by the brain, as it processes the info from your two eyes, I’m not going to explain it to you. As far as your Ph.D, yeah, a Ph.D in bullshit.
No, when you eat …
No, when you eat fruit and don’t plant the seeds…you are just eating the fruit. Many fruit bearing plants have the luxury of being an r-selected species…some of the seeds are likely to be sewn despite my minor impact. And, why do we have to plant the seeds? Why couldn’t we just graft the plant like we do with apples? You could argue that many plants control us. They offer small packets of fructose and in return humans labor tirelessly over them to ensure their survival year after year.
“We aren’t drawn …
“We aren’t drawn towards dead animals, because the flesh is starting to rot. Dumb question.” Oooooh, so you’re actually repulsed by a Big Mac, bacon, and chicken breast? Oh-wait, no…uhhh, aren’t those all from….uhh, dead animals? Do you like to eat dead animals or don’t you? Is that a dumb question? Do you actually read what you write before you post? I’m sure that in your head you must have thought “yeah, that was a good post…I got him!” Does anyone have ANYTHING intelligent to say?
I’m not “cherry …
I’m not “cherry picking” at all. What fruit bearing plants do you know of that don’t rely on animals for dispersal of the seeds they produce? There is a reason you don’t salivate when you see lobster or goats or sloths or any other living creature – we’re not hardwired to recognize them as food items. That’s my point, and it’s so obvious and blatant that I am astounded that you can’t think outside of your own indoctrination – which is what dictates your palate (this is why we don’t eat dogs).
Predator/prey …
Predator/prey relationships are an inevitable and natural occurrence, but they are not necessary to control population levels. Left to their own devices, herbivores will eventually encroach upon the carrying capacity of the environment they are in and population numbers will dwindle as a result. Carnivores definitely play a role in natural ecosystems…I never erted that they didn’t. But so what? Humans aren’t necessary to keep populations in check. What sound’s like to you?
No, that’s not …
No, that’s not accurate. Ask for your money back from whatever online college you got your degree at. O.K., we eat meat because we’re animals. Then why don’t cows eat meat? They are animals. Ph.D.? Please, I’m an actual doctor.
Oh, we do have an …
Oh, we do have an overlapping 3D field of vision. Show me a reference to any article form a peer reviewed journal that claims otherwise.
O.K…your …
O.K…your discussion of 3D vision is contradictory and doesn’t make any sense. In the same sentence you note that we don’t have 3D vision and then go on to describe our 3D vision. And, we definitely DO have 3D stereoscopic vision. That is not all up for debate.
Admittedly, …
Admittedly, gorillas have been observed to eat ants and grubs on occasion, however, on any given day they will typically consume 100% plant matter. And even granting you that they eat an occasional handful of grubs, why would they need forward facing eyes. Koalas and pandas have forward facing eyes too – neither of which is descendant from primates, both of which are arboreal and vegan* (*like gorillas, pandas possibly eat an occasional lizard or invertebrate, but don’t qualify as omnivores).
Early hominids …
Early hominids didn’t develop stone tool technology for hunting – chopper technology was initially for scavenging dead carcasses. “…skinning animals so we could were there hind [sic].” #1) Your spelling is awful, and #2) you have this anachronous, romantic Flintstones view of cavemen running around the African plains wearing cheetah pelts for loin cloths. You’re correct, the Clovis may have had something to do with megafaunal extinction events – all the more reason for us not to exploit!
Where exactly did …
Where exactly did you get your definition of “sapient”? Can you provide a reference, because as far as I know, ‘sapient’ isn’t actually a word, and the word sapience isn’t defined the way you have defined it here.
“We find cannibalism repulsive because we have been brought up to think that way by our society”
Exactly! It’s the same with religion, and it’s the same with eating and exploiting non-human animals – you’ve been brainwashed and indoctrinated to think that it’s o.k. and acceptable.
This is way off …
This is way off topic, but Godwin’s Law can’t be ‘violated’. My comparison of the Nazis and people who view non-human animals as “only animals” is an invocation of Godwin’s Law. If anything, Godwin’s Law predicts that the Nazis would be mentioned in this usenet forum. You could have pointed out that by mentioning the Nazis I validated the theory posited by Godwin’s Law…did you mean validate? You could have also said that I lost the debate by mentioning the Nazis. Oh well. Next time.
Does it make a difference where/how the meat was obtained? Of course it does – one involves the forceful (unnecessary) killing of an innocent animal. If you were to eat an animal that died “naturally” where is the harm or “force”?
Host Matt says he hasn’t been shown reasonable evidence that not eating meat is a more eithical choice – Perhaps Matt… you have not looked enough? 25% of the Amazon rain forest has been cleared for cattle grazing, a vegan‘s diet requires 1/6th of an acre/year – a meat eating diet: 3.5. We can feed 16 times more people on a plant based diet. Studies increasingly show that a plant based diet is healthier for the human body. And just because we did something since our premorbial history – doesn’t mean we should continue. At one time there was no choice but to eat flesh – Now… we have the option of thousands of foods in any grocery store. Of course if one is an Inuit or a bushman – the choice is not there… The ethics change for those people under those conditions.
Hunting: It is a myth that hunters are even necessary. There are over 15,000 deer, elk and cervid farms throught the US as well as “game bird” farms. All these animals are bred specifically for hunters – There is no “overpopulation”. Further, we are not encouraging the science of “non-lethal” birth control for these animals because so much (unethical) money is being made selling hunting licenses and breeding deer.
North American Deer Farmers Association:
http://www.nadefa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=37:farming&Itemid=65&layout=default
Co-Host Tracie… Cannot stand to watch hunt programs or sharks that devour seals… Yet what happens to even the “free range” chickens she buys? They meet the same end at the same butcher as the other birds do. Further, “free range” is a myth – Farmers are allowed, (at their discretion) to limit the time these animals are allowed to be out doors… Hence 90% of the “free range” animals are lucky if they see 8 hours of sunshine their whole miserable (short) lives). http://www.humanemyth.org
We would not treat cats or dogs the way we do pigs, cows, sheep, etc… But we do – for something that is not “necessary”… Billions of people thrive on a plant based diet. What we have with our “pet animals” and our “food animals” is moral dissonance. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs! A chicken experiences fear just like a cat! All animals, human and non-humans, that breath and bleed feel pain. We can all suffer. That should be the moral baseline in our ethics. Any other course just seems hypocritcal.
Animal Rights – The Abolitionist Approach:
http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/media/slides/theory1.html
Are human beings “natural” meat eaters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05zhL1YUd8Q
If we were… we would have the ability to take down a running antelope and devour it with our hands/teeth.
If we were… we would not have to cook our flesh to consume it.
If we were… we would not have to fear the ecoli contiminants – or other harmful bacteria
http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/vegetarian_foods.html
T Colin Campbell – 40 year study on the benefits of a plant based diet – peer reviewed… Scientifically validated:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2842500961086955598